tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post643700735029706267..comments2023-09-17T07:49:31.937-04:00Comments on Fun in Room 4B: Textbooks...Who Needs Them?Elizabethhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-26583445106107564482013-01-19T15:09:46.854-05:002013-01-19T15:09:46.854-05:00Real Math...especially common core math, can not b...Real Math...especially common core math, can not be achieved by most of the textbooks currently in development. This is my second year teaching with the Core for Math. I design every lesson according to the standards. However, I think you have to be really comfortable in teaching the math to do that. We spend a lot of time looking at the math skills from a real world perspective. We share our discoveries using Edmodo. I also pull from some resources I have found from TPT and a few common core workbooks that are really good for reinforcing skills. While I have to tell you that my students are finally developing a love math, it has been a difficult adjustment for many of the parents. They want the traditional, lower level math problems that are in most textbooks. They can't see that by doing the real world math problems and applying the skills, the students are learning more than just solving a worksheet with problems on it. My advice for you is to look at the PARCC assessments that are coming in 2014 and recommend a text that matches how the kids are going to be assessed. The new assessments focus heavily on being able to apply the skills in real life math settings like comparing the number of people that different sporting event venues can hold. The kids will also be doing it online, so a textbook with a high level of technology and support for tracking data is important. Best wishes...I used to do that in my old district and I loved to see the new programs, but now I don't teach with the text. I would rather my district spend the money on iPads and apps for my classroom.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02592899316141569404noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-10474931591001919242013-01-14T20:20:21.126-05:002013-01-14T20:20:21.126-05:00I also recently attended the textbook caravan. Cur...I also recently attended the textbook caravan. Currently my district uses Everyday Math. The first year and a half, I could not stand it! However, it eventually started to make sense and, wow, have I seen progress! I agree that there is not a lot of practice and I do sometimes supplement. But as I teach each year, I find myself having to supplement less and less. It can be done in a workshop model. I think Beth Newingham has Info on her site for that. The company also provided a great deal of professional development for teachers. The biggest struggle is waiting a few years to trust the spiral. The other thing is that, like anything else, you have to make it your own. I hopeach my district decides to 're-adopt E.Math! <br />~KShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08452250653445459535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-57014710708220771642013-01-12T18:19:12.232-05:002013-01-12T18:19:12.232-05:00My school uses Envision Math. For K-2, there are &...My school uses Envision Math. For K-2, there are "consumables" that are basically legal sized and folded in half, but no textbook. It takes a bit more organization on the teacher's part, but sending them home for parents to see was nicer than sending home a giant book, and I liked that the kids could write on them.<br /><br />Now that I'm in 3rd, we have the regular books. I honestly don't use them all that often because we have the digital component of the series. Every day starts with a short instructional video (not super interesting, but usually pretty good) and I stop along the way to encourage my students to share ideas with one another (a lot of WBT techniques work well during this!). My students/ parents can also view the videos at home in English and Spanish. Then, the guided practice and independent practice are available on the SmartBoard too- so we usually do the guided practice together, at least. The workbook has a page for each day. I do find that sometimes I wish we had more options for practice- there's 1 Reteach, 1 Practice, and 1 Enrichment worksheet for each, but if I need repeated drill of a subject like double-digit subtraction, I find myself supplementing with a previous series or online. <br /><br />The pacing is awkward. They expect us to do one lesson a day, but sometimes the lessons are things that I need to spend much longer or much shorter to truly teach to mastery. They do come with "center" activities, a problem of the day, a spiral review page, and a quick check for each lesson, as well. (They use bar models a little, similar to Math in Focus, but also encourage multiple different strategies.)<br /><br />I like the emphasis on number sense and understanding- for instance, they teach multiplication fact strategies in a really great way- but overall, I find that I need to supplement regularly and I can't fit in all of the things they think I should be able to fit in.<br /><br />In a previous school, we used Math in Focus. They brought all the grade levels into it at the same time, and it would really need to be rolled out one year at a time to truly work. It's a much smaller curriculum, meant to focus on deeper understanding, which is great- but in our school with high transiency, we felt there were just too many gaps and not enough review time. It does spend significant time on number sense, particularly in the lower grades, and I love the problem solving aspect- but I felt as though there were often 4-5 problems of practice for each lesson (for 2nd graders), and it never felt like enough practice for them to truly get it. We ended up using a standards calendar and using Math in Focus, our old curriculum (Harcourt, I think?), and online resources to develop our own lessons and practice. It just took a loooot of organization.<br /><br />If you end up not going for a curriculum, you should definitely look into purchasing some Marcy Cook math materials :) Sorry to write you a novel, but I hope it helps!<br /><br />Jenny<br /><a href="http://luckeyfrogslilypad.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Luckeyfrog's Lilypad</a>luckeyfroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09338266098096236978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-31327290732881211562013-01-11T08:03:34.150-05:002013-01-11T08:03:34.150-05:00We also use Scott Foresmn Envision Math. I teach ...We also use Scott Foresmn Envision Math. I teach 2nd grade and I love it!!! We also have the consumable textbooks. For the first four years that we had this series, we also had the huge books. However, I did not give the book to the kids, instead I tore out the unit (chapter) we were currently working on, punched holes in them, and had kids keep the entire unit in their binder. This year the came pre-torn and shrink wrapped. Each unit is wrrapped seperatly so it is very easy. I love all of the online resources. Also, we ordered tthe common core edition this year. I like it a lot! There are only 16 topics instead of 20. Also, it teaches all of the mental strtegie befoe you actully show the kids how to regroup. It has lots of math vocabulaary and problem solving. I LOVE it!!!! So far I haven"t had to supplement with any extra. I plan on supplementing after I finish all 16 topics. We are already on topic 11. Hope this helps!<br /><br />Jennifer<br /><a href="http://grade2happenings.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Grade 2 Happenings</a>Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17239011982250093300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-40325833213657855682013-01-09T21:23:56.359-05:002013-01-09T21:23:56.359-05:00sorry for the typossorry for the typosAmy McCallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04367402158122800547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-45744595964524099842013-01-09T21:22:08.199-05:002013-01-09T21:22:08.199-05:00We adopted Scott Foresman Envision Series for Math...We adopted Scott Foresman Envision Series for Math two years ago. Last year I taught first grade. The series for first grade was awful. We have these HUGE workbooks ( no real textbook ) that has about 600 pages in it. I am not exaggerating. Our curriculum was not in the order of the book either. Can you imagine asking a first grader to turn to page 456? So you spend time pulling out the practice sheets and storing the humongous workbooks that won't even fit in the desks. Most of them time, I just used my own resources because it was a big waste of time and money.<br />This year, I teach fourth grade. It is my first year in fourth grade. I taught first for the last nine years. The fourth grade has an actual textbook with plenty of practice problems and examples in it. I actually use the series much more in fourth grade than I did in first. Envision also comes with lots of online resources that I use on the smartboard. As far as Common Core... My belief is that textbook companies are going to make a lot of money by just adding those two words to the cover of their books with nothing different in the middle. :)<br />AmyAmy McCallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04367402158122800547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-38979242492299948262013-01-09T20:32:13.911-05:002013-01-09T20:32:13.911-05:00Girl, you are too funny :)Girl, you are too funny :)Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-81142704037249561482013-01-09T20:21:54.010-05:002013-01-09T20:21:54.010-05:00Yeah, I wonder how much some of these textbooks ar...Yeah, I wonder how much some of these textbooks are actually aligned to Common Core. How can any textbook truly be 100% aligned, like some claim to be. I guess with whichever book is adopted, I should expect to have to supplement like I have for the 18 years I've been teaching. Nothing new. I was just hoping that there might be some "magic" curriculum/textbook out there. Dreams :)Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-27134423305329928192013-01-09T20:18:30.177-05:002013-01-09T20:18:30.177-05:00My plan is to compile all of these comments and th...My plan is to compile all of these comments and the other data that I have received and write another post summarizing what I've learned. Thank you for your comment! Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-77083030700196407332013-01-09T20:16:45.198-05:002013-01-09T20:16:45.198-05:00Thank you for your quick response to my question! ...Thank you for your quick response to my question! I have to say this sentence in your response: "As far as the mathematical practices, Math in Focus has the rigor and complexity that requires perseverance in problem solving. It focuses on a precision of language, modeling of math and appropriate tools." makes me very excited to look a this one more extensively. Just when I thought I had narrowed them down........ Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-6727278537302110282013-01-09T14:05:54.577-05:002013-01-09T14:05:54.577-05:00I LOOOOOOOOOOVE Investigations!!! It is so hands o...I LOOOOOOOOOOVE Investigations!!! It is so hands on and all of the students "investigate". I may have a love affair with it. Amber @ Adventures of a Third Grade Teacherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17581503562415464779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-41380789352525363162013-01-09T00:42:06.595-05:002013-01-09T00:42:06.595-05:00As far as the mathematical practices, Math in Focu...As far as the mathematical practices, Math in Focus has the rigor and complexity that requires perseverance in problem solving. It focuses on a precision of language, modeling of math and appropriate tools. It may be weak in constructing viable arguments and critiquing others but most math curricula are, and the teacher must add in those opportunities. Our grade level groups for math currently so I have an intensive group of 16 students. Most of them are behavior intensive as well, so self monitoring at centers and such is a nightmare. I do mini-lessons, then some do guided practice with partners, while I work with a small group for re-teach and fast finishers do stations (mostly review stuff I get from TPT and bloggers such as yourself). I also like that compared to EDM, Math in Focus is geared towards mastery. I may be biased because all the other math curricula I have used have been pretty bad, in my opinion. (Math connects, Houghton-Mifflin and EDM) jonesyjl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/12584107456426522328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-2300998919877470132013-01-09T00:19:22.384-05:002013-01-09T00:19:22.384-05:00I have taught using three different programs in my...I have taught using three different programs in my teaching career. <br />Scott Foresman, back in the day, great for practice not for differentiation. Maybe that's changed, who knows! <br />Growing with Math, like Everyday Math. Hated it! The units were only meant to last for 2-3 weeks, and they spiraled too quickly. <br />For the past 6 years I have been expected to use Investigations. It was great when I taught 2nd and 3rd grades, but for 5th it not ideal. The only part of it I use is the workbook for independent practice. Glad to hear your district isn't considering it. We won't be changing any time soon. Our district office curriculum team thinks its great. (* Sarcastic sigh inserted here.)<br />Like others mentioned, I supplement, since our version claims to be Common Core Aligned, but they over exaggerated that!<br />Hopefully your district will choose something great!<br />EmilyK4321Teachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15704593923409212075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-63140574526990269042013-01-09T00:03:22.489-05:002013-01-09T00:03:22.489-05:00We use Growing with Math, however this is our last...We use Growing with Math, however this is our last year. We are in the process of adopting a new math textbook this year as well. It is so overwhelming. We have needed to adopt a new program for a few years but our district, actually our state, is not fully implemented into the common core until next fall and we wanted to choose a math program that aligns with the common core standards. I am interested to hear what you are thinking about the options out there.<br /><br /><i><b><a href="http://kindergartenkidlets.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">Kindergarten Kidlets</a></b></i>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07951965657836881334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-48152655051796869242013-01-08T22:28:54.495-05:002013-01-08T22:28:54.495-05:00I loved the bar model method as it was explained t...I loved the bar model method as it was explained to us today! So did the teachers who went with me. I love idea that it is heavy in problem solving. Again, like I stated before, we have to remember the Mathematical Practices portion of the Common Core or we are missing half of the picture! Do you use the Math Workshop model in your classroom by any chance? Does this program lend itself to that model? Thank you so much for joining the conversation. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-76211146681689968102013-01-08T22:23:50.252-05:002013-01-08T22:23:50.252-05:00That's really the reason I wanted to start thi...That's really the reason I wanted to start this conversation. It's the demands of districts across America (said "A-Mir-I-Ka"...like we've been doing in this house lately for some silly reason) that have caused me to be more careful in this decision...again, not that the decision is up to me AT ALL. I just wanted to see if textbooks that you all are using are meeting the same demands. With the push towards Common Core, are we meeting all of those demands? Are we creating more or different demands? Are we helping the children? Ah...the questions continue. Thank you so much for joining the conversation. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-39156520187022025892013-01-08T22:19:26.350-05:002013-01-08T22:19:26.350-05:00In my district, we are not required to use the tex...In my district, we are not required to use the textbook. But, as a frugal teacher, I really hate to see the money spent on something I won't use. I'll at least try to use some of it. I think that eventually all schools will go textbook free. With the evolution of ereaders, I think that more and more states/schools/districts will lean in that direction. I'm sure I've read or seen somewhere that there are districts that already do that...ipads for students instead of textbooks. <br />I really appreciate your insight and for joining the conversation. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-46254355381217693192013-01-08T22:15:44.316-05:002013-01-08T22:15:44.316-05:00Hey Lauren and Amy,
I did like the problem based l...Hey Lauren and Amy,<br />I did like the problem based learning of Everyday Math, but I didn't really see how I could use it in Math Workshop (except during my small group time, of course...which leave the other 3 parts of the workshop out). Maybe I was looking at it from the wrong angle. I will have to go and pull those materials out and do some more research. Oh, I just remembered...they didn't give us materials. No wonder it wasn't my top choice. Hum...looks like I might have to dig a little deeper. Any suggestions of places I could go to look? And like Amy, I'd also love to see how you have made it work for Math Workshop and would love to read about your success, Lauren. Thanks again, ladies, for the thoughtful comments and suggestions!Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-47576806729234531522013-01-08T22:08:00.513-05:002013-01-08T22:08:00.513-05:00That's not a bad idea! I've done that bef...That's not a bad idea! I've done that before with outdated textbooks. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-92066042302065221202013-01-08T22:06:45.628-05:002013-01-08T22:06:45.628-05:00Thanks for your input! That's a lot of supple...Thanks for your input! That's a lot of supplementing that you are stuck doing. It's a shame when we have to supplement so much and the state is paying for (or have paid for) a textbook adoption. That's why I think it is so important to "buy" the right product. I like the "Digging into Math". That looked like a great way to supplement your series. Are you up for an adoption soon?<br /><br />I hope for your sake that you are...hopefully, that will save on copies?? :)<br /><br />Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-45689004584102428102013-01-08T22:02:25.665-05:002013-01-08T22:02:25.665-05:00This is great information, Shasta! I did like the...This is great information, Shasta! I did like the "Math Talk" component of Math Expressions. I think the problem solving approach with the "inquiry twist" is important, too. I think that we sometimes forget about the Mathematical Practices part of Common Core when we are looking at curriculum. That's too bad. It's really those thought processes that students will carry with them for years to come. Sure, I also want them to know how to multiply two-digit numbers by two-digit numbers, too. So, there needs to be a balance between both (in my opinion). Thanks again for your insight. Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-89545698182137991712013-01-08T21:56:36.772-05:002013-01-08T21:56:36.772-05:00That's good to know, Rachel. I am really inte...That's good to know, Rachel. I am really interested in how closely they are aligned to Common Core. I should have probably mentioned that above. I think I might go back and add that! I like the text/activity book concept where they write in the text. That makes a lot more sense to me than transferring to a notebook in 3-5 (like we have had to do for years). I'm a fan of spiraling curriculum, too. Doesn't brain research show that you have to practice to remember? And, if you don't teach geometry until the end of the year and that is the ONLY time you teach it, well that makes no sense, right?<br />Thanks so much for your input. I really appreciate it!Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07786531176109759149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-12455624283846097912013-01-08T21:33:49.935-05:002013-01-08T21:33:49.935-05:00Hey Lauren-
My district also uses Everyday Math an...Hey Lauren-<br />My district also uses Everyday Math and I would agree with everything you've stated above. I'd be interested in learning more about how you apply the workshop model in your classroom with EDM. <br /><br />Thanks,<br />Amy<br /><a href="http://http://turtleylovingteaching.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Turtley Loving Teaching</a>Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08110359055289809593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-4228548201627419872013-01-08T21:28:17.546-05:002013-01-08T21:28:17.546-05:00Also, it is common core aligned 98% or something.
...Also, it is common core aligned 98% or something.<br />jonesyjl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/12584107456426522328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8943861818254304964.post-32012587755531091982013-01-08T21:23:56.147-05:002013-01-08T21:23:56.147-05:00I finally have a math textbook I use. We use to be...I finally have a math textbook I use. We use to be an Everyday Math school but after 10 years of supplementing, filling in to add enough practice for mastery, and waiting for kids to "catch up" to the spiral the district ditched it. We are now a Math in Focus school, this is the American version of Singapore Math or Math Works. Love it. It has 3 levels, so when it is time for independent work, strategic or intensive students do the reteach pages, on track students do the extra practice pages and a few students do the enrichment pages. I don't use every single component of the program but it is heavy in problem solving using the bar model method and FINALLY a program the stresses number sense throughout the year, not just one chapter. This program is difficult at first because we found our students were so severely lacking in thinking skills, applying math and number sense but after 3 years, they are showing major progress in their math skills and thinking. It also has a companion computer program called math buddies our students use at home and in the computer lab. Takes time to implement at first but great program.jonesyjl2https://www.blogger.com/profile/12584107456426522328noreply@blogger.com